benghazi was a terrorist attack. let me play devil's advocate for a second. it was self-evident benghazi was a terrorist attack may not signify the change, and as people were killed, duh, that was a terrorist attack. >> but he denied that earlier. >> they didn't deny it was a terrorist attack. they just said the whole thing was spontaneous which looks like a load of crap. >> what you are saying is what jessed earlier that it can be -- what jesse said earlier is that it can be both. >> it can be spontaneous and a terrorist attack. >> all right. >> and involve jim bough lieu she. >> that's a different story. >> i made that joke earlier on "the five" and it didn't go over well. >> you keep saying this show. >> a show with good ratings in the afternoon. it is a show. it replaced glen beck. >> and it should be noted that "you cording to jim -- that" according to jim did well in the ratings." >> according to who. >> according to nielsen. >> "the five" is how many apples high? >> wow, all of that. >> nicely done. >> that was spontaneous. >> no, he had that joke read